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MEETING BRIAN WILSON ON A STORMY NIGHT IN SAN FRANCISCO

(STEVE WAGNER reminisces about his day with the legendary genius)

BRIAN WILSON, THE BEACH BOYS 50TH ANNIVERSARY REUNION AT THE NEW ORLEANS JAZZ AND HERITAGE FESTIVAL, 27 APRIL 2012 (photo credit: TAKAHIRO KYONO)

Brian Wilson has been one of the most influential and inspirational musical artists of my lifetime and a source of perpetual fascination since I was about eight years old. I’ve had a somewhat unexpected response to his passing. Though I recognize and feel the loss deeply, I am left with only admiration, relief, and gratefulness. Admiration because the passing of such a towering figure naturally brings their life’s work into greater focus, and Brian’s achievements in harmonic composition and sound recording were, in a word, astonishing. Relief that Brian’s pain has ended, that the specters he’d lived with for so many years – no doubt compounded by the recent loss of his beloved wife Melinda – have finally, at long last, disappeared. And gratefulness, for the music, of course; Brian’s oeuvre has brought me countless hours of deeply satisfying listening pleasure, and his songcraft has been a creative beacon since I first picked up a guitar and attempted to create original songs.

Moreover, I’m grateful that Brian found the innate resolve (and community support) to persist through debilitating illness, to overcome addictions and psychological trauma, at least to the degree that he could experience years, even decades of relative peace and meaningful work. Above all, I’m grateful that Brian lived to see the immensely positive impact he had on the arts and the lives of millions who adored him.

The truth is that Brian was lucky to survive 1967. Or 1970. Or 1981, or so many other times in his life, when the disappointment and despair must have felt overwhelming. There is an easily-imaginable world in which Brian Wilson leaves us at a young age, just another drug casualty or member of the “27 club,” a quickly forgotten relic of a waning surf genre, seen only as an “early architect” of rock n’ roll who sort of meant something sometime between the years of Fabian and Hendrix.

But Brian’s music was always, and remains, transcendent. The art, the sound refused to die, and I intuit that the healing power of his music was what ultimately kept Brian alive through his many dark nights of the soul.

I’ve written about Brian a lot over the years – about his music, his mythology, his cultural influence, and even a bit about my personal experience of not only meeting him but also spending the better part of an afternoon and evening in his company. Here, I’d like to paint a fuller picture of that exhilarating day.

In January 2010, I was a director at the San Francisco Art Exchange, a gallery dedicated to music photography and original album cover art. We had begun a toe-in-the-water business relationship with Sir Peter Blake, the renowned British pop artist and art director for the Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band album cover. Peter had recently collaborated with Brian on an exclusive art book with Genesis Publishing titled That Lucky Old Sun, inspired by Brian’s recent album of the same name. We were busy selling the collectible book and limited-edition prints when the most incredible opportunity presented itself: Brian Wilson was willing to do some promotion on Peter’s behalf and would consider doing something in person at our gallery.

At this revelation, I needed to be given oxygen and placed on sedatives. Once I was revived, as I remember it, our three options were: 1) for X, Brian would come in the gallery, shake a few hands, pose for a few pictures, say a few words, and be gone: 2) for double X, he would come with a couple guys from his band and do a song or two a cappella along with pressing the flesh; or 3) for triple X, Brian would come with a combo of guys from his band and perform a short concert in our gallery for a small number of very select clients. The numbers were very reasonable, I thought (I mean, are you frickin’ kidding me??). We discussed it, and it was clear that the concert was the best option; the free media coverage alone would more than justify the investment. Our owners contacted Brian’s management, came to terms, and determined a date. We then set about culling a guest list of approximately 100 people in total, mostly high-dollar collectors and other assorted big wheels we were courting for business.

It quickly became apparent we needed to keep this on the total down low. Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, who learned about it wanted to be there, and I had to make many heartbreaking phone calls to inform close friends and cherished clients that there was simply no room for them at the inn. This had to be handled delicately, not just with our clients, but with our artists, photographers, and their agents and managers. Then there were the famous friends of the gallery, some big stars who might drop everything and fly to San Francisco for the chance to meet Brian Wilson. I spoke with several who wanted to be there but regretfully had to pass. To a person, they expressed their undying admiration and respect for Brian.

One of our artists, however – perhaps our most important artist, and certainly the most difficult (with a special jury prize going to Jim Marshall) – decided to attend: Storm Thorgerson. We’ll come back to Storm shortly…

STEVE WAGNER, BRIAN WILSON, JADE SYLVAN (uncredited photo)

Each of us working at the gallery was allowed to bring one guest, and mine was Jade Sylvan, who was helping me research my book, All You Need Is Myth: The Beatles and the Gods of Rock (Waterside, 2019). Though the book was in its earliest stage, we knew that Brian’s and the Beach Boys’ mythos would be a major thread, so we were hoping to get a picture with the great man for the book jacket. Jade flew out to SF from Boston the evening before the big day, and in the morning, we were up bright and early to open the gallery and prepare for the show. As usual, the place needed to be cleaned from top to bottom, and everything removed from the main room – desks, file cabinets, furniture, stereo system, etcetera. Thankfully, Jade was there to help clean and answer the phones while I toiled away on prep and dealt with gallery visitors. By early afternoon, we had the place ready for Brian.

Jade had just left to spend the day with friends in SF when Brian’s tech guys arrived to set up the sound. They brought in a massive amount of gear, and it occurred to me that maybe we were too small a room for this show. The gallery was old and quite dilapidated, with ancient plumbing and wiring. Space heaters tripped fuses and sparked electrical outlets in this joint. How were we going to power five musicians, monitors, and a sound system? Somehow, they figured it out, though I can’t remember how… the first eight hours of that day are a blur. But I’m fortunate that I had to work so hard to get ready, because that tethered me to the ground. I would have floated away otherwise. The whole day felt otherworldly, a rip in the cosmic fabric, an oddly fated convergence dialed up by my psyche, and perhaps just a dream.

And then I saw Brian Wilson at the front door of the gallery, standing completely still, staring down at the stanchion rope I had hung to keep randos out while the techies were setting up the show. He was so respectful, thinking he didn’t have permission to enter. I leaped about thirty feet across the gallery floor and quickly unhooked the rope, welcoming him and, I assume, gushing uncontrollably. He smiled and walked past, bidding me an exuberant “Thank you!” In fact, for the next couple of hours, as they hung out and ran through soundcheck, every time we walked past each other, Brian would look at me sweetly and say, “Thank you!” This kind man, whom I wanted to thank from the bottom of my heart for so many things, and so many songs, could not stop thanking ME.

THE BRIAN WILSON BAND SOUNDCHECK, THE SAN FRANCISCO ART EXCHANGE, 23 JANUARY 2010 (BRIAN WILSON, NICK WALUSCO, JIM HARTLEY, DARIEN SAHANAJA) (uncredited photo)

Did I mention the soundcheck? Surreal is the only word to describe what it felt like to have Brian and his band run through “Wouldn’t It Be Nice,” “California Girls,” “God Only Knows,” and an a cappella “Surfer Girl” for just me and the gallery owner, Jim Hartley, who had arrived minutes before they plugged in. Brian was literally in the spot where I sat at my desk every day. I was thinking that nothing could ever top this.

The four players with Brian that day were the core of his band: keyboardist and musical director Darian Sahanaja and guitarist Nick Walusco, both of the revered LA group the Wondermints; multi-instrumentalist and songwriter Scott Bennett, who was Brian’s collaborator on much of That Lucky Old Sun; and guitarist and singer Jeff Foskett, a renowned vocalist who began singing Brian’s famous falsetto parts for the Beach Boys on stage in the late ‘70s, and was Brian’s indispensable musical avatar for decades after. These musicians were key to Brian’s legacy and the completion and quality of Brian Wilson Presents Smile, a truly historic artistic triumph. Expressing my gratitude to each of them was nearly as meaningful to me as meeting Brian himself.

By early evening, I was greeting guests as they arrived at the gallery and walking them through the post-concert protocol, explaining how they would have the brief opportunity to meet Brian in person. I had a wonderful conversation with Brian’s manager, Jean Sievers, who told me this was the most intimate concert he had ever performed, and that she had to see it in person. Jean was also Jeff Bridges’ manager, and I mention that for the sole reason that being both Brian’s and Jeff’s manager is just unassailably cool. I think she loved that I was such an admirer of Brian’s, that he was in good hands at the gallery, so to speak. I loved that she so clearly cared about him and was there to protect and support him. Years later, when I learned that Jean had been named Brian’s conservator following Melinda’s passing, I knew he would be cared for with the best of intentions.

Storm Thorgerson also arrived, with his guest, Tom Baccei, the inventor of “Magic Eye.” You know, the pictures you stare into until you see another picture embedded… you’ve seen Seinfeld, right? Is it any surprise that the inventor of Magic Eye and the guy who designed the Pink Floyd album covers were friends? If he had still been with us, I’m sure Salvador Dali would have tagged along with them, and I’m only being slightly facetious. Perhaps a quick detour here to address Storm more thoroughly…

It is not hyperbole to say Storm Thorgerson is the greatest album cover artist in history and one of the supreme surrealist artists of the 20th century. His company (along with Aubrey Powell), Hipgnosis, designed hundreds of the most famous, beloved, and tripped-out album covers of all time, including those for Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Genesis, Paul McCartney, Black Sabbath, Peter Gabriel, and many, many more. Anton Corbijn’s documentary Squaring the Circle: The Story of Hipgnosis (2022) does a fine job of telling the tale of Storm and Po and how they largely defined the visual aesthetic of the classic rock era, and it even goes into Storm’s famously challenging personality at some length. From Paul McCartney’s quite generous recollection, “He could be really crabby,” to Roger Waters’ more frank account, “He was insufferable,” the film does not mince words.

Because it’s true – wild anecdotes of famous feuds sparked, and emotional wreckage incurred by this legendary enfant terrible are legion in the industry. And I’m inclined to believe every one of them, because, for me, dealing with Storm’s demands, disputes, and diatribes was a frequent occurrence. It’s enough now to say that if anyone could ruin this event, or at least my enjoyment of it, this was the guy who could do it. But Storm, thank the Rock Gods, was actually on his best behavior that night, and it was out of respect for Brian. And I would speculate, because Brian’s music can soothe even the most savage of beasts.

THE BRIAN WILSON BAND, THE SAN FRANCISCO ART EXCHANGE, 23 JANUARY 2010 (DARIEN SAHANAJA, NICK WALUSCO, SCOTT BENNETT, BRIAN WILSON, JEFF FOSKETT) (uncredited photo)

Brian’s concert in our gallery that night was a wonder to behold, for everyone in attendance who all had the same look in their eyes – a dreamy mix of flabbergast and holiness. It all seemed unbelievable, and yet here we were, witnessing history, no doubt, in the presence of genius, yes, but also somehow the winners of this rarest of musical lotteries. We were hearing Brian Wilson sing his greatest songs – songs that defined an apex of popular music in the 20th century – in what was essentially our living room.

Their setlist was, in a word, perfect. In addition to the above-mentioned classics from the soundcheck, they also nailed “Do It Again,” “Do You Wanna Dance,” “I Get Around,” and three stellar tracks from That Lucky Old Sun, before ending with a medley of “Help Me, Rhonda,” “Barbara Ann,” “Surfin’ USA,” and “Fun, Fun, Fun.” To ecstatic applause, our owners then trundled Brian upstairs to a viewing room. Once he was settled in, it was my job to introduce clients and corral them for the photographers.

Before we began, I was able to express to Brian directly my deep admiration, great honor in meeting him, and heartfelt thanks for all the beautiful, inspirational music he had gifted the world. He looked me in the eye and said, quite emphatically, “Thank you, man, for being so cool!” Words cannot express how much it meant to me that Brian would say this.

THE BRIAN WILSON BAND INVITED GUESTS, THE SAN FRANCISCO ART EXCHANGE, 23 JANUARY 2010 (STORM THORGERSON AND TOM BACCEI, THIRD ROW, THIRD AND FOURTH FROM LEFT)) (uncredited photo)

The meet-and-greet commenced easily and quickly, and was, of course, a veritable lovefest. Brian seemed to be in a great mood; he was really in sync with his band during the performance and was gracious to everyone after. Once we had everyone through the line and photographed with Brian, he and his team departed, and I was left to entertain the straggling clients while the band broke down their gear.

It is at this point that wily old Storm re-enters the frame, gleefully and somewhat threateningly announcing that he was “stealing” Jade from me and taking them to dinner at the posh Clift Hotel across the street. I still had gallery work to do – a wet bar to break down, for one – so I couldn’t really object, but this smelled like trouble. Now, the fact that these two creative powerhouses would somehow draw to each other came as little surprise. But when Storm exclaimed, loudly enough for basically anyone still in the gallery to hear, “She’s SOOO much more interesting than you, Steve!” I knew he was just getting warmed up. I said I would meet them at the restaurant later, and Storm, knowing that I had to, assured me that I really didn’t have to.

An hour or so later, after some enjoyable banter with the band, talking music and hearing some sweet and (yes) priceless anecdotes about working with their beloved Brian, I locked the door to the gallery and walked across the street to the Clift Hotel. I was exhilarated from the incredible high of the previous twelve hours… but also feeling a fair share of dread at what might await me.

Inside. I found Storm, Tom, and Jade sitting around a long tabletop that looked like Caligula had just debauched several lobsters and a peacock. Protruding from within the strata of extravagant scraps, I spotted some empty wine bottles with the sort of labels that scream, “I’m expensive!”

Can you guess where this is heading? Storm, with eyes ablaze and nearly convulsing because he knew how diabolically funny it was that he would say this, bellowed: “Steve! You are here just in time to pay the bill!”

And we both knew that I would have to pay. I knew he would never stop demanding it and that the more I bristled, the more delectable this would be for him. I knew he was prepared to declare war to get his way, likely threatening to pull his art from the gallery, scotch deals in the making, or get me fired, the list goes on. Suffice to say, I would need to pay for this now and be reimbursed later through the gallery. Which I was reasonably confident would happen.

Though I did my best to hide my irritation, I’m sure it was all over my face as I grunted through clenched teeth something like “Well, at least I’m going to have a drink before I worry about that.” Storm continued to relish teasing me throughout the evening, but the fact is that we were all having a magical night. Quite predictably, he had challenged me to fulfill his wishes unconditionally; once I accepted the absolute inevitability of the power differential (and the responsibility of that damned bill, which I might add was for a quasi-obscene amount), things were copacetic.

STORM THORGERSON, STEVE WAGNER (uncredited photo)

At some point, we all drifted to the lobby, and Tom departed. Jade went back into the nightclub, leaving Storm and me alone with each other, sitting on some comfy furniture and reflecting on the evening. Though I had worked with Storm for months by this point, this was the first time we just sat and talked as people as opposed to artist and art dealer. And he became… I’m not sure if charming is the word, but “personable” might come close. We agreed that we had just witnessed an amazing occurrence. Storm loved Brian, and I think he recognized him as a kindred spirit in some fundamental ways. Brian’s genius, his idiosyncrasies, his dance with sanity, and his undeniable impact on the arts were all things with which he could easily identify. Storm was not the type of person to heap praise on other creative artists, but he, like me and everyone else who attended that night, was in awe of Brian. He couldn’t hide it, though I’m sure he tried his best.

As we discussed all things Brian, I noted some of these comparisons, stating directly that I considered both to be towering creative artists, groundbreaking geniuses, and more than worthy of my time, effort, and expertise. I said it was an honor to host Brian at the gallery and an honor to represent Storm as an art dealer. I wasn’t blowing smoke – representing Storm Thorgerson is one of the career achievements I am most proud of. There was literally nothing he could do or say – and believe me, he tried – that could affect my respect for him as an artist or my commitment to his legacy, and I told him as much. Hearing him say “thank you” in an uncharacteristically meek voice validated it all for me. I saw Storm differently from that moment on.

The fact is, Storm liked me a lot, which is why he fed me so much shit. That’s just the way he was. For me personally, repeatedly seeing him get so much pleasure from confounding those around him was very hard to swallow. But I also recognize intrinsically that all too often, genius comes with social angst and emotional responses that seem insane to us mere mortals. When we say that Brian and Storm were artists who expanded and transformed the limits of their art forms, we must also recognize that assessing their personal lives, criticizing their methods, or decrying their foibles is, at best, uninformed opinion in areas few people have the capacity to understand.

Perhaps Storm intuited that he and I needed a tête-à-tête; he was, after all, staying at the Clift Hotel and could have turned in rather than sit with me for an hour in the lobby. However, I’m thankful he stayed and talked, because we found that working together was much more playful and productive moving forward. Sure, he still fed me a lot of shit, but it didn’t sting the way it did before. It was just Storm being Storm.

When I learned that the reason Storm was selling his original art was that he had been given roughly a year to live due to failing health, I became even more dedicated to his cause. Thankfully, he lived for another three years, and during that time, I had the great honor of brokering sales of his most famous original album cover artworks: Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, and many more. Knowing that those dollars were eventually going to his family in his wake filled me with not just pride, but enduring empathy for the man.

THE BRIAN WILSON BAND SETLIST, THE SAN FRANCISCO ART EXCHANGE, 23 JANUARY 2010 (uncredited photo)

January 23, 2010, was a watershed day in my life. I was finally able to meet and fete one of my greatest heroes, Brian Wilson, and then somehow make peace with another of mine, Storm Thorgerson, who had played the role of nemesis until we sat down in that lobby together, let the power-play crap recede (a bit), and be simply two lovers of Brian Wilson discussing music and art. Consider that Storm was, by that time, already a sick man, and he flew from London to San Francisco only to meet Brian, an artist whom he deeply admired. That says a lot about who he was at his core, and this is what I remember when I think of him now, which I do frequently and fondly.

Again, Brian’s music can soothe even the most savage of beasts, and it certainly did that night, for Storm, and for me, too.

RAIDER REVERED: THE MARK LINDSAY INTERVIEW

Mark Lindsay, 2013 HAPPY TOGETHER TOUR (photo credit: TOM LEPARSKAS/O’BRIEN)
Mark Lindsay, 2013 HAPPY TOGETHER TOUR (photo credit: TOM LEPARSKAS/O’BRIEN)

Let’s be honest: While the band played up the name of their leader, the undisputed focal point of Paul Revere and the Raiders was singer Mark Lindsay. Obviously, he was blessed with the smoldering good looks that made him the object of millions of teenage girls’ fantasies but, he also had an intangible savagery – in his vocal delivery and his stage presence – that made him cool enough for the guys to like; both of those things were enough for some parents to ban the group’s records from their homes and pin-up pages from TIGERBEAT, 16 and FLIP magazines from their daughters’ walls but, the songs Mark and the Raiders performed, at least until 1967 (or thereabouts), was pure pop confection (Lindsay’s growl aside) that most parents found rather innocuous and non-threatening to their impressionable offspring.

After winning a talent contest at fifteen, Mark was offered a spot in a band called the Idaho Playboys; however, the group’s leader (one Freddy Chapman) relocated shortly after, leaving the Playboys (minus Lindsay) to soldier on, playing the local bar circuit with their new organist, a guy called Paul Revere. Mark caught the band’s act one fateful night, asking them if he could join in for a few numbers. The next day, a chance meeting with Revere, who walked into the bakery where the youngster was working led to Mark joining Revere’s nascent group of musicians. As the group’s sound began to gel into a rough Rhythm and Blues, Lindsay suggested they adopt the name, the Downbeats, after the influential Jazz magazine of the same name. That was in 1958 and the two went on to perform together for nearly two decades.

The two prime movers of the band soon decided to exploit Paul’s name, changing their moniker to Paul Revere and the Raiders and adopting the dress of the Revolutionary War’s Colonial Army. It wasn’t long before Columbia Records began adding “featuring Mark Lindsay” to the group’s name on album covers and single labels. By 1966’s THE SPIRIT OF ‘67 (released under the title GOOD THING in the United Kingdom), Mark was not only singing and playing sax with the group, he was also writing many of the Raiders’ tunes – occasionally with Revere and various other Raiders but, usually with his friend, producer Terry Melcher. He was also the ONLY band member to appear on a majority of those tunes, including the hits; in fact, more than a few of those singles were originally recorded as Mark Lindsay solo records. When Lindsay finally left the Raiders in 1975, he had already forged a fairly impressive solo career. Somewhere along the way, disillusionment crept in and Mark decided to call it a career but, the pull of the studio and the stage brought him back… only to retire again a few years later. The man, however, has music stamped into those little genomial strands of DNA, so he is continually drawn back to his first love (sorry, Deborah). With recent stints on Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan’s HAPPY TOGETHER package tours and the occasional solo show under his belt (and a new album in the offing), he remains a solid live commodity to promoters and venues across the country.

Paul Revere and the Raiders, 1967 (Phil Volk, Drake Levin, Paul Revere, Mike Smith, Mark Lindsay) (photo credit: ASSOCIATED PRESS)
Paul Revere and the Raiders, 1967 (Phil Volk, Drake Levin, Paul Revere, Mike Smith, Mark Lindsay) (photo credit: ASSOCIATED PRESS)

This summer, Lindsay has joined his old friend, the Monkees’ Micky Dolenz, for the 50 SUMMERS OF LOVE TOUR, a night of Dean-and-Jerry-like frivolity and music. I had the chance to speak with Mark recently about his career, working with Dolenz and the new tour.

THE MULE: You’ve been performing, making music since you were like sixteen, seventeen years old.

MARK LINDSAY: Well, more like thirteen to fifteen. I was a kid.

THE MULE: Okay. Did you ever, in your wildest dreams, think that you’d still be doing… that you’d be doing this nearly sixty years on?

MARK: Believe me, I never thought I would LIVE to be this old. I mean, I thought… When I was starting out, I thought, “What is there after thirty?” You know? What future would anybody have after thirty? I really thought that was the end of it but, obviously, I would’ve been very surprised. However, I’m very gratified that I’m still doin’ it.

THE MULE: Very nice. Yeah, you know… it always amazes me that there are a lot of guys (and ladies) that were big… uh… mid-sixties, early seventies and so on that still just have this incredible drive and desire to do what you do and it…

MARK: It was… It’s so much fun to do and so gratifying and, as long as I can do it, have fun doing it and do it well… hopefully!… and if people still keep coming… I mean, Rock and Roll, which Mitch Miller predicted would die in the ‘60s, of course, never died and it’s still out there and as long as… It’s still alive, man. I mean, it’s the only genre of music that I get to give that’s lasted fifty years. So, more power to it!

THE MULE: Exactly. And, you know, just to touch on a couple of points through your career before we jump into the 50 SUMMERS OF LOVE TOUR. Uh… you worked with Paul Revere and various versions of the Raiders for a very long time and, I know that you kinda had like a… an up-and-down relationship – if you want to call it that – with Paul and… I’m just curious to know if you were in contact with him or he with you during the latter years of his life. Or, really, any of the old Raiders guys.

Mark Lindsay (photo courtesy: REAL GONE MUSIC/SONY MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT)
Mark Lindsay (photo courtesy: REAL GONE MUSIC/SONY MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT)

MARK: Well… Yeah, I was with the Raiders, as you said, throughout the whole recording career, basically. I was on every song that the Raiders had that was a hit. In the later years, I… it was an up-and-down relationship but, in the later years, I did try to stay in touch with Paul but, he was… he had a lot of problems, as you know, and unfortunately, we never got that last conversation that I would like to have had. But, you know… That’s the way life goes sometimes.

THE MULE: Yeah… yeah. Another big, driving force, possibly in your career… certainly the career of the Raiders was Dick Clark. I mean, he really kinda stepped up and said, “Hey, I want you guys for this,” and he pushed you to the forefront…

MARK: Well, he gave us a platform and we just kinda took over and, you know… He actually hired the Raiders, he confessed later, for a thirteen week period and he thought that if the show – WHERE THE ACTION IS – took off, he’d be able to hire a real band. At the end of the thirteen week period, luckily, the… it was kinda like a precursor to MTV… the whole nation got to see us and the whole nation… I guess, most of them liked us because, by the end of that thirteen week period, we had become that real band he was looking for.

THE MULE: How much… You know, every band goes through it… there’s a period, mid-’60s kind of stuff, where it was more of a Pop feel and you’re kinda… even though you wrote a majority of the songs, a majority of the hits, there were other people involved in songwriting and, probably, there were other people coming and performing the parts that – generally speaking – the band should be playing… I mean, how much of that actually happened, how much was actually the Raiders in the studio, doing it the right way?

Paul Revere and the Raiders, circa 1966 (Paul Revere, Drake Levin, Mark Lindsay, Phil Volk, Mike Smith) (uncredited photo)
Paul Revere and the Raiders, circa 1966 (Paul Revere, Drake Levin, Mark Lindsay, Phil Volk, Mike Smith) (uncredited photo)

MARK: Well, the Raiders… the guys… everybody played on the records up until and through “Good Thing” and then, after that, we were touring so much – we were on the road, like 250 nights a year – and Columbia had a three album schedule… you know, they wanted three albums a year – and, of course, they wanted singles. So, Terry (Melcher) and I would write, or we’d get Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil, who wrote… “Kicks” and “Hungry” were a couple of their songs. But, we would record… we would start the songs and go into the studio and, of course, if you listen to… I would say ninety percent of the music that was cut in the mid-’60s in Los Angeles, the Wrecking Crew was either THE band or part of the band, however supplemental. We just didn’t have enough time to “can” everything, so Terry would work on the tracks while we were gone and then, I’d come in and put the lead vocal on and we’d spin it there to the background. I mean, we’d… But, that was the formula we used and some of us… From time to time, some of the guys would be on the record but, it wasn’t a thing with a whole band type of luxury of being in the studio at the same time. We just didn’t have time to do that.

THE MULE: That had to be like, really just exhausting for you because… yeah, you can replace a guitar player, you can replace a drummer, you can replace a keyboard player but, you cannot replace the recognizable voice of a band.

Paul Revere and the Raiders, 1967 (Paul Revere, Drake Levin, Phil Volk, Mark Lindsay, Mike Smith) (publicity photo)
Paul Revere and the Raiders, 1967 (Paul Revere, Drake Levin, Phil Volk, Mark Lindsay, Mike Smith) (publicity photo)

MARK: You know, it was… Looking back on it, it should have been more exhausting but, quite frankly, there was no place I would have rather been. I mean, I liked performing on the road but, I really liked the studio, so, when I came back from a tour, I would drop my bag and head for the studio. And, basically stay there until we had to be on the road again. But, I enjoyed it so much that it didn’t seem… there was no question. You know, when you’re in your twenties, you can kill yourself several times and still bounce back from the dead. It didn’t seem to be that much of a hardship at the time. I really enjoyed it.

THE MULE: Right, right. We’re just not quite so resilient nowadays.

MARK: Yeah. I enjoyed making music so much, that it was certainly a lot more of a positive thing than it was a negative thing for me, so… I had a lot of fun.

THE MULE: Cool. So, let’s move into… uh… today.

MARK: Sure.

THE MULE: So, what can we expect on the thirteenth in Saint Louis – the Saint Charles Family Arena – with the 50 SUMMERS OF LOVE TOUR? And… I guess, how has this tour differed from the HAPPY TOGETHER shows you were involved with?

MARK: Well, HAPPY TOGETHER, of course, has each artist… It’s more… it’s kinda like the formula that Dick Clark… CAVALCADE OF STARS. You had one band come on and one act, then another and then another until everybody had played. The difference with 50 SUMMERS OF LOVE is, Micky and I are together but, instead of one performer doing his songs and then… you know, opening up for the other guy or vice-versa, were both onstage, basically, together all the time and, we’re doing Monkees songs and Raiders songs, of course, but… he’s singing on some of the Raiders songs, I’m singing on some of the Monkees songs… we goof around. It’s just more of a partnership or a duo onstage so, I really don’t know what you can expect. Basically, we’re both onstage from the time the curtain goes up to the time the curtain goes down.

THE MULE: Awesome! Now, you… Obviously, both of you guys were on TIGERBEAT covers and, you know, everything throughout the ‘60s but, how and when did you and Micky actually meet?

Mark Lindsay, 1967 (photo credit: TEEN LIFE MAGAZINE)
Mark Lindsay, 1967 (photo credit: TEEN LIFE MAGAZINE)

MARK: Oh, we met WAY back. He was… I lived a the top of the hill, Lookout Mountain over Laurel Canyon and he lived in the Canyon. We got together from time to time but, we both were so busy at the time, we didn’t have much time to hang out. There wasn’t much hang out time that was happening. So, I’ve known Micky for a long time. I mean, we’ve gotten together over the years but, not to the extent that we’re together now. But, it’s just a lot of fun, a fun show. I’ve heard comments from people who see the show, it’s really different than anything else because it’s not just one guy coming out and doing his hits and then another guy coming out and doing his hits. It’s more of a joint effort, for sure.

THE MULE: So, this is a chance for Saint Louis to hear, probably, the two most famous versions of “(I’m Not Your) Steppin’ Stone,” then.

MARK: Oh, yeah. You bet! We do it together.

THE MULE: Cool! That’s awesome. That was one of the things that I was wondering… how you guys were going to handle that song, in particular. Uh… the Fab Four, the Beatles tribute… they are opening the show but, they’re also acting as the house band, right?

MARK: Yeah. They open the show. They have an incredible act. If you… I mean, I swear, they sound so much like the original guys, the Beatles and, they look like ‘em. You know, they have the costumes and everything. So, if you close your eyes… you don’t have to close your eyes even… it’s almost like hearing SERGEANT PEPPER… live. If you could hear SERGEANT PEPPER… live. But, since the Beatles will never be together… that’s impossible ‘cause a couple of those guys are… uh… we’ll never see it again. But, it takes you right back to the sixties and between… you know, the Beatles had so… Oh, my gosh, they pretty much performed the soundtrack of our lives. And, of course, the Monkees had a lot of hits and the Raiders had a lot of hits so, if you like that period of time – the mid-’60s – which I think is one of the richest and most prolific times of Rock and Roll… so many great songs were being written and so many great acts were out there. If you like that period of time, you’re gonna be taken right back there and, of course, with Micky and I doing… you know, singing part of each other’s songs and being together, you get a different take of a song… at least, ours, as well.

THE MULE: How do the musicians kind of fit in with what you’re doing and how do you guys… Micky and you… Do you kind of attempt some Beatles stuff throughout your set?

MARK: We leave most of… Well, we do a couple of songs toward the end that… Most of the Beatles songs are done by the Fab Four. We have… Luckily, the Raiders and the Monkees both had enough hits that we have plenty of material for our own show. But, it’s just… It’s just a lot of fun. That’s all I can tell ya. I mean, you never know exactly what’s gonna happen.

THE MULE: So… let’s get into your new album, your new project. Tell us about that a little bit and how everyone can get a copy of it.

Mark Lindsay with Brian Wilson, 2013 (photo credit: JEFFREY FOSKETT)
Mark Lindsay with Brian Wilson, 2013 (photo credit: JEFFREY FOSKETT)

MARK: Well, it’s not quite out yet but, it will be. It’s songs I started two or three years ago. I started… Brian Wilson was looking for songs for a solo album so, I started writing some songs that I thought were kind of like evocative of the period and that I could kind of hear the Beach Boys doing in that kind of style and… I presented them to him and he liked a lot of them but, then, I don’t know what happened… Maybe his producer didn’t care for the tunes. One thing led to another and nothing happened. The songs were just laying there, so I went, “Well, what the heck?” So, I went ahead and finished them myself and… uh… So, it’s like… it’s just kind of a slice of that time, that much… a kind of a… I don’t want to say softer edges… Well, yeah… A slightly different style of music than people probably expect from me. But, I think the songs are great and I had a lot of fun doing it and it’s going to be out soon. It’s called… It was started long before this 50 SUMMERS OF LOVE TOUR was proposed but, that’s the title of the project. It’s called SUMMER OF LOVE. I wrote a couple of songs with that title so, it kind of fits in but, it’ll be available quickly.

THE MULE: Alright. We’ll be looking for it. Definitely. So, I guess we can wrap this up. With all of your solo stuff, the stuff you did with the Raiders, the various package tours that you’ve been on over the years… uh… Everything – soundtracks, movie roles… What are you most proud of in your life and in your career?

MARK: Well, probably, I think “Indian Reservation” is certainly an iconic record and production. I’m very proud of that. For a lot of reasons – lyrically and performance-wise but, it was just such a statement for the time that needed to be… a story that needed to be told. The song was written by John D Loudermilk and one of the reasons that it sold almost six million copies is the fact that it was just something that, you know, was very timely and… uh… There it is. I’m proud of a lot of stuff but, if I had to pick one… one thing – and, that’s very hard to do… because it’s not as much Rock and Roll as, for example, “Good Thing,” but, just for a song that made a statement that probably impacted more people than any other, I’d pick that.

THE MULE: Okay… awesome. I would tend to agree. I mean, I can think of a lot of songs that I really, really like but… I was born in ‘58 so, you know, by the time that came around, I was really just kinda starting to get into music and stuff and I remember the first time I heard that… it was just like, “Uumph!” You know? It hit me like… It meant something, you know?

MARK: Yeah. It was… Well, all the musicians on the record, it was… It’s funny… it was basically going to be a Mark Lindsay single and we cut it as that but, I was… Since I produced it, I thought it was great but, I wasn’t sure whether I thought it was great because I produced it or because it was really great. So, I was very ambivalent about releasing it under my name and so, finally, the… Jack Gold, the head of A and R for CBS said, “Look, if you don’t wanna release this as Mark Lindsay, I’m gonna put it out as the Raiders.” I said, “Okay. Fine.” And, he did. So, it’s the biggest record the Raiders never played on!

THE MULE: That’s funny! How big… You know, another question occurs to me. I mean, we talked about Dick Clark and we talked about Paul… How big of – I guess I can’t say “influence,” because it would be more the business side of things, but… How much did Clive Davis play into the career of the Raiders and Mark Lindsay?

Paul Revere and the Raiders, 1969 (Paul Revere, Keith Allison, Freddy Weller, Mark Lindsay, Joe Correro, Junior) (uncredited photo)
Paul Revere and the Raiders, 1969 (Paul Revere, Keith Allison, Freddy Weller, Mark Lindsay, Joe Correro, Junior) (uncredited photo)

MARK: Well, he was on our side through most things. Whenever I asked him for something, I usually got it. But, there’s one thing that he asked me to do that I didn’t do and, I don’t know what would have happened had I done it. But, I don’t regret it. In the middle of the Raiders’ career, like in the late ‘60s, early ‘70s, he came to me with an idea and he said, “Look, I want you to leave the group and become a solo artist.” And he played me some songs and he said, “I think you could… ” He’d heard some of the solo stuff and he said, “I think you can be, you know, like a… ” He didn’t say but, he kinda intimated… like Johnny Mathis. “Wow… well, that’s pretty ambitious!” You know? I mean, nobody can be a Johnny Mathis. Except Johnny Mathis. I like… Basically, it came down to, I just like Rock and Roll so much that I said, “I’ll continue to do my solo stuff but, I don’t wanna leave the group.” So, that’s where that one… And, that’s the only thing that he asked me to do that I didn’t do but, you know, it all worked out in the end!

THE MULE: Yeah, absolutely! I’d say it did. You’ve had a great career… ‘60s stuff, ‘70s stuff still sounds crisp and enjoyable today and, I’m just lookin’ forward to seeing you on the thirteenth and maybe hang out a little bit and we can maybe discuss some stuff a little bit further.

MARK: Okay, Darren, I look forward to it and… uh… like I say, I can’t guarantee what’s gonna happen but, it’ll all be fun. Looking forward to it.

THE MULE: Alright, man. Thank you so much.

MARK: Alright, Darren. Thank you. We’ll see you on the thirteenth.

50 SUMMERS OF LOVE
50 SUMMERS OF LOVE

Mark Lindsay and Micky Dolenz, along with the Fab Four: The Ultimate Tribute brings the 50 SUMMERS OF LOVE show to the stage of the Family Arena in Saint Charles, Missouri on Friday, October 13th for what promises to be a fun time for the entire family. For ticket information and additional tour dates, visit the tour’s Facebook page.